About the founder:
Sandra Weckert is the inventor of the bigbandmethod®, founder of braintreeacademy® and the author of 4 PEP = "Processor Empowering People". With her unique method, she shapes and develops organisations, teams and personalities in a fun, efficient and sustainable way. In her trainings, active workshops and coaching sessions, top managers, executives and entrepreneurs learn to interact and har- monise in the same way as large orchestras do when performing complex musical works.
Her bigbandmethod® uses the various musical instruments to depict the roles in social systems in which everyone has to make their contribution to the sound with pinpoint accuracy. Sandra Weckert is a successful
Sandra Weckert is a successful musician, an excellent composer and plays 18 instruments herself.
She has developed and tested her tools, processes and infrastructures in productions for
in productions for theatres and broadcasting companies,
in schools in socially deprived areas or while working with prisoners on remand in Moabit Prison.
The combination of musical knowledge and skills with management and leadership know-how has led to commissions fr om the public sector as well as traditional medium-sized businesses, large corporations and the German Foreign Office.
Interview in managerrevie:
What exactly is behind "PEP"?
S.W.: "PEP" stands for "Processor Empowering People". 4 sequential workbooks contain 42 power tools, the use of which will ensure everyone's exit from a world in which 70% of employees have internally resigned and over 60% of managers complain that their employees are somehow "not functioning properly". The PEP show you how to get out of non-stop competition with everything and everyone, come to peace and solve all your problems as a leader immediately and efficiently. Did you know that more than 30% of the illnesses of managers are of a psychological nature? And that's a figure from before Corona....
Is that really the case? What exactly is the reason for that?
S.W.: It's because of a choice mankind made about 5000 years ago. At that time, we chose the organisational form of the ruling hierarchy, as it is perfectly represented in a pyramid. Today you see this form of organisation in every organisation chart. How would you define what exactly a pyramid actually is?
Help me out here...
S.W.: A pyramid is nothing more than a gigantic house for no less than ONE coffin. The coffin of the ruler. That is why the whole thing is called "hierarchy of rulers". Since no one can rule unless there are many who submit, the system creates a mindset of slaves in all of us.
Are you saying that I am a slave?
S.W.: Well... maybe you are still a slave. At the same time, by reading the PEP, you personally have already made your way out of it. And even if this realisation is mostly shocking, there are three pieces of good news. Do you want to hear them?"
Give it to me!
S.W.: 1. You are not to blame for the situation! You are not to blame if you have been influenced by a "Western civilisation", are younger than 5,000 years old and have attended one or more - any - schools. All three factors should apply to you. 2.
2) There is a parallel form of organisation that has always existed and will always exist, which mankind has chosen for the absolutely predominant part of its presence on earth - namely for about 200,000 years - the form of growth. 000 years - the hierarchy of growth. You don't even have to look for it, because you can feel it now, here and at any time. Your whole body, your individual organs, each of your cells, yes, even every atom in you works in this form of organisation. It is the opposite of domination, because it is based on cooperation. 3.
3. the exit from domination and the entrance into your growth to the highest and best possible version of your personality you experience with us as something so fun, horny, motivating, sexual and enriching that you can't get enough of it.
That's really good news! Why is that?
S.W.: Because the whole process is based on "Spiral dynamics" and with the bigbandmethod® in the first step all your needs on the three low levels of consciousness are fully satisfied. I use the music of the Rolling Stones, who summed up this need satisfaction perfectly in their credo: "Sex and drugs and rock ́n ́roll".
The hierarchy of domination - you remember - the huge house for exactly ONE coffin creates slaves. The growth hierarchy - you remember - your body, your organs, each of your cells - creates experts. And being an expert, in the role of your choice, at the instrument of your choice, surrounded only by other experts, all cooperating with each other, makes you feel lustfully what it is to be right, okay, loved and safe. Like the Stones: extremely lustful, very sexual and absolutely connected.
The word sex appears quite often in your vocabulary. Have you ever noticed that?
S.W. laughs.... Sure! Why do you think it works so well
in every system from prison to middle class to big business? I'm a Rolling Stones fan, a saxophonist, a singer and I conduct 1000-piece bands using only physical signals. That only works if you're not afraid of sexuality, on the contrary, you have to love it and live it.
Doesn't that polarise you a lot?
S.W.: Of course I do. On the one hand, because I don't want to deny myself, and on the other hand, to find people as customers who are not afraid of their own lust, their own bodies. of their own desire, their own body. Because developing people who reject their bodies and their sexuality is not in my field. I develop personalities, teams and organisations, my business is education and development and that only works on a physical level. "He who denies his drive denies the very thing that makes him human," Maus says in "Matrix."
S.W.: "Matrix" is just an example of the "kick in the butt" we all need to recognise our roles and our entanglements in the first place. All great leaders, inspirational personalities, role models have got this because without it you are not able to leave your hamster wheel. Look at the biographies of Gandhi, Muhammad Ali, Nelson Mandela, then you will understand what I mean. We give the system this "kick in the butt" in a very pleasant way, namely by making music together, with the bigbandmethod®.
It works like a "big bang", the biggest emotional trigger you can imagine, flooding your whole system with serotonin and dopamine, making people howl with happiness, bringing together quarrelling, bitterly fighting parties and forming a "gang" that can and will achieve any goal together. All that's missing are the tools.
Tools? Do you train craftsmen?
S.W.: You could say that, yes! Leadership is a craft that has to be learned. In the ruling hierarchy - you remember - the huge house for exactly ONE coffin - no slave gets any tools. Especially no reflection, evaluation, structuring, communication or general thinking tools. If these were imparted, the slave would cease to be a slave. That is not at all
This is not at all the aim of the hierarchy of power, because without slaves it would cease to exist.
But the big companies constantly train their managers and employees in leadership and management.
S.W.: It's true that the market is full of leadership and further training programmes. But do you also know that often only 20% of the knowledge imparted there finds its way into practice? The transfer of knowledge - to put it mildly - works only moderately. Do you want to know why?
I can hardly wait...
S.W.: There are three main reasons for this:
1. the contents are so complex that they are understood by the studied manager, but not by the employee. After all, not everyone has a Bachelor's or Master's degree in psychology, communication or education. Put simply: Managers don't get the knowledge they impart out on the street.
The knowledge that the managers receive is really only "imparted", but not practised on a daily basis. Each of us has to practise new tools every day until they become the norm. Since the structures for this are not there, all trained leaders do exactly the same thing after two weeks at the latest as they did before.
The tools taught are not physically anchored. The desire to do so, the personal benefit and the avoidance of pain are missing.
And how do you solve this problem?
S.W.: 1. 42 tools are visualised, explained and described in my 4 processors in such a simple and user-friendly way that anyone can use them immediately. I learned this while working with prisoners in the Moabit correctional facility and at schools in Neukölln, wh ere you are not confronted with highly educated leaders, but with extremely heterogeneous groups, partly traumatised people, many of whom are illiterate. My leadership tools have been developed, tested and checked for functionality and effectiveness over more than 10 years. Believe me: if they work in prison and at Neukölln schools, they work everywhere.
All our coachees go through a process that has been structured down to the last detail for a whole year in routines that have been prepared daily for this purpose. The formerly "new tool" quickly becomes a lived normality, simply because you personally and privately benefit so much by using it, feel pleasure and avoid self-generated pain.
Like the music at the beginning, we put the tool we have learned into the body. Can you ride a bike?
S.W.: And just as well as your body can ride a bike, you can de-escalate conflicts, structure processes, evaluate work results, negotiate successfully - even with right-wingers, the responsible use of power as a leader and much more. And you will love it because the meaningful action is so pleasurable. Sex and Drugs and Rock ́n ́roll. - that's what the Rolling Stones call it.
Yes! It was so cool, next time I want to sing!
S.W.: I believe you right away! You're just a born salesman and that's good. You like the role of Mick Jagger as much as I do, don't you?
S.W.: There you have it: The Stones, by the way, will be 60 years old next year and are by far the most successful company in recent music history. This is due to the following three factors, among others: They are hard workers, use their bodies and know about the power of cooperation. And of course they live their credo every second of their lives: sex and drugs and rock ́n roll. In this way, they take care of themselves and the satisfaction of their basic needs. The rest comes almost by itself, you just have to keep at it and use the right tools. The result for you personally is not only a great show, but success, charisma and leadership all along the line.